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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:08 pm 
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Or, start running Polvora Cache


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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:18 pm 
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kakita_shiro wrote:
Or, start running Polvora Cache


Have it in my current build. Will be doing more testing with it on Thursday. I haven't decided on the fateside specifics yet.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:23 pm 
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Kyoden Kurosora wrote:
kakita_shiro wrote:
Or, start running Polvora Cache


Have it in my current build. Will be doing more testing with it on Thursday. I haven't decided on the fateside specifics yet.

I think it's an interesting meta choice against Phoenix and Crab who both rely on Holdings to accelerate their clock. In the military match-up, though, it's strictly a win-more card.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:59 am 
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A military win more card is pretty much the baine of Spider since you are starting on the back foot. At this point, any card that doesn't help you regain tempo has to be some super amazing ability to really be considered IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:36 am 
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I could dig a spider dishonor corruptor style deck. Say while crab do it by economy and scorpion by the courts we could do it by corrupting the other player personalities and making them loose honor.

It would make sense as shadow lands would cost you family honor, just saying it would be awesome.

Hoping to see some real improvement for spider today, haven't played in a long time and would love to come back.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:32 am 
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In a theoretical Dishonor via shadowlands deck, we would quite literally be our own worst enemy. Do we really need decks that auto-win against our own decks?

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:49 am 
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Chuda Riichi wrote:
In a theoretical Dishonor via shadowlands deck, we would quite literally be our own worst enemy. Do we really need decks that auto-win against our own decks?


thats a pretty good point. i think, if we hadn't already started getting susumu with positive personal honor, you could build a dishonor theme around targeting people with with > 0 ph but that ship has sailed.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:51 am 
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also WOO PREVIEW DAY

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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Chuda Riichi wrote:
In a theoretical Dishonor via shadowlands deck, we would quite literally be our own worst enemy. Do we really need decks that auto-win against our own decks?


Hahaha ha didn't say the idea was perfect, but we could have a sensei that made us inmune to honor loss caused by other players because our shadow lands cards. Still this ship has also sailed because of Onyx Edition plot. Would've been cool tho.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:32 am 
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Well, Spider cards are up on Oracle of the Void.

Headscratchers; Daigotsu Endo has "Bow: Fear 2, or Fear 4 if the target is Shadowlands", and Hikayo has "Shadowlands Personalities may not refuse challenges from Hikayo".

Sooo... even the Spider hates Shadowlands now?


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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:48 am 
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Amusing. I speculate that Spider are not going to be the only ones that are tainted this go around. And/or being able to taint things will be more of a thing.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:50 am 
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yeah, looks like that whole "handing out shadowlands like party favors" we've been talking about is going to happen

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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YUHMI!

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=12570

theres also two followers that are ninja-y that i don't recall seeing thus far, but i could be wrong:
http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=12504
http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=12506

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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Only logical avenue given what we're starting to get. Otherwise these guys are only better in the mirror.

Then again, it wouldn't shock me to see a bunch of actions in the next few sets that have an extra kicker if you make your guy Shadowlands - ala Guerilla Tactics from Lotus, and that's where they think we'll be able to trigger all this 'if Shadowlands' things on our Personalities.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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I believe Questionable Vassal was in Clan War.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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A throwback to the Lotus Edition Shadowlands Corruption/Chi Death decks or more recently Phoenix Inquisitors. Hand out Shadowlands and punish them for being corrupted. Although with the story and fall Kotei corruption choices other clans may be running corrupt personalities anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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Yeah, Obsidian Halls of the Lost corruption control was Spider's most viable deck for the first half of Lotus.

I did enjoy that deck, and handing out Shadowlands fits with breaking the seals and the influx of Jigoku into the mortal realm.

Mind, the immediate and obvious flaw is that anti-Shadowlands cards are immediately useful against Spider, while in the theoreticial 'hand out corruption' deck there is some setup needed. Let's hope they're actually serious about making Shadowlands on Spider Personalities something other than a negative keyword. Endo and the ogre aren't bad so far, but to me, a bit underwhelming.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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I am not sure if this is one of ours, but I did not see it on the Unicorn preview...

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=12573

Now, that is some serious pro-Spider, pro-Scorpion Attachment hate, especially against Shugenja decks.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:06 am 
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I feel it shouldn't be overlooked that Endo also makes all of your Honor cards, Courage cards as well. So your dishonor/honor meta, can now also be used to pump fear effects.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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if handing out shadowlands is a thing we can do, it actually makes all the shadowlands hate thats been appearing interesting because suddenly its a) a lot more useful to us but also b) much more worth running for everyone else, so thats kind of a mixed bag.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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It will absolutely add a level of "At What Cost Victory?" to the game that helps build a sense of narrative, without detracting from game mechanics space.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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sndwurks wrote:
I am not sure if this is one of ours, but I did not see it on the Unicorn preview...

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=12573

Now, that is some serious pro-Spider, pro-Scorpion Attachment hate, especially against Shugenja decks.

This, and all the other early previews, are probably all the Assembly previews.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:07 am 
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ENDO!!! YES!

I like that ability to have honor meta or military support.

Ogre is ok, Spider dueling isnt magically amazing but its a 5F for 7G which is great as is.

If they are trying to switch us, mid year, to ANOTHER strategy I'm going to be disappointed, because that is why Susumu sucked so badly.


Yuhmi showing up is cool, would love to see the two step brothers in a fiction together... poor master of earth...

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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Ok, Endo is pretty freaking fantastic, he is better in every way to his original.

HE IS NOT UNIQUE!

He is BONKERS!

I wanted them to reprint him in Onyx base set, instead they just gave me a better version.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Evil Portents
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TheItsyBitsySpider wrote:
ENDO!!! YES!

I like that ability to have honor meta or military support.

Ogre is ok, Spider dueling isnt magically amazing but its a 5F for 7G which is great as is.

If they are trying to switch us, mid year, to ANOTHER strategy I'm going to be disappointed, because that is why Susumu sucked so badly.


Yuhmi showing up is cool, would love to see the two step brothers in a fiction together... poor master of earth...


HAH i didn't even realize he was a duelist. thats amazing. love it.

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