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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:51 am 
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what he said.

back in the day, i remember when dueling was primarily a control deck. limited duels locked your opponents best personalities down, and battle duels killed. Both allowed you to play focus effects which frequently supported your win condition (esp. in the case of honor).

right now, duels are complicated actions with subpar results. if the fear effects were, ya know, something to be feared, sahara might be good. but just bowing stuff, even bowing EVERYTHING, is not fantastic owing to how much unbow is in the environment.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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daigotsu cielago wrote:
what he said.

back in the day, i remember when dueling was primarily a control deck. limited duels locked your opponents best personalities down, and battle duels killed. Both allowed you to play focus effects which frequently supported your win condition (esp. in the case of honor).

right now, duels are complicated actions with subpar results. if the fear effects were, ya know, something to be feared, sahara might be good. but just bowing stuff, even bowing EVERYTHING, is not fantastic owing to how much unbow is in the environment.


And even then, with the quality if followers in the game you could bow the 3f personality but that did nothing to stop the 8F in followers he is banking on.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:21 am 
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oh man, you know what spider needs? it needs Blackened Sky except for fear actions. just the threat of that card showing up in a battle would make fear better.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:28 am 
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daigotsu cielago wrote:
oh man, you know what spider needs? it needs Blackened Sky except for fear actions. just the threat of that card showing up in a battle would make fear better.


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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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yeah, see. give us a reprint of that badboy, and fear gets real.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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daigotsu cielago wrote:
yeah, see. give us a reprint of that badboy, and fear gets real.

Well, the last part anyway. The first part is in the rulebook already.

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When a player the caliber of Dario Perri decides to run it over other Spider builds at a Kotei, I take notice.


God forbid he share his brilliance with the rest of us.

As for cards, the duelists do look good and I'll probably mess around with them, but I don't have high hopes. Yajinden Sensei though, that's the card I've been waiting for ever since AEG started printing undead cards in Ivory edition. I'm glad they finally decided to make those cards (some of them anyway) playable.

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Yajinden fear deck meet Intimidation Tactics. Intimidation Tactics meet Yajinden fear deck. That card is bonkers good.


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B-Rad wrote:
Yajinden fear deck meet Intimidation Tactics. Intimidation Tactics meet Yajinden fear deck. That card is bonkers good.


how do you figure? we only have two commanders and neither of them is amazing.

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Big Remy wrote:
I eagerly await the opening of rules questions for THA, so that it can be clarified that the Yajinden Sensei does allow you to Recruit holdings. As of right now, by the rulebook, you can't bring holdings into play as Yajinden Sensei only allows you to Recruit Shaowlands Personalities, and by the rules you Recruit holdings.

Yes, there is a precedence with Koiso Sensei, but its a different enough of a situation that it will require a separate ruling.

Oh, good. I thought I was the only one thinking that the literal wording was bad.

Seems like it would work much better to just say, "You may not recruit non-Shadowlands Personalities."

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vlad3theimpaler wrote:
Big Remy wrote:
I eagerly await the opening of rules questions for THA, so that it can be clarified that the Yajinden Sensei does allow you to Recruit holdings. As of right now, by the rulebook, you can't bring holdings into play as Yajinden Sensei only allows you to Recruit Shaowlands Personalities, and by the rules you Recruit holdings.

Yes, there is a precedence with Koiso Sensei, but its a different enough of a situation that it will require a separate ruling.

Oh, good. I thought I was the only one thinking that the literal wording was bad.

Seems like it would work much better to just say, "You may not recruit non-Shadowlands Personalities."


they no longer enforce a blackout before answering rules questions.

http://alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=113997

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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daigotsu cielago wrote:
B-Rad wrote:
Yajinden fear deck meet Intimidation Tactics. Intimidation Tactics meet Yajinden fear deck. That card is bonkers good.


how do you figure? we only have two commanders and neither of them is amazing.


D'oh I misread the sensei. Thanks for pointing that out for me :D. Still real good in spider fear imo.


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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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Daigotsu Thrakhath wrote:
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When a player the caliber of Dario Perri decides to run it over other Spider builds at a Kotei, I take notice.


God forbid he share his brilliance with the rest of us.

As for cards, the duelists do look good and I'll probably mess around with them, but I don't have high hopes. Yajinden Sensei though, that's the card I've been waiting for ever since AEG started printing undead cards in Ivory edition. I'm glad they finally decided to make those cards (some of them anyway) playable.


Yajinden will replace Aranai in my undead deck, but I'm still kind of meh about him. From what I understand, the actual undead sensei is still in a future release.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:59 am 
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Chuda Riichi wrote:
Daigotsu Thrakhath wrote:
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When a player the caliber of Dario Perri decides to run it over other Spider builds at a Kotei, I take notice.


God forbid he share his brilliance with the rest of us.

As for cards, the duelists do look good and I'll probably mess around with them, but I don't have high hopes. Yajinden Sensei though, that's the card I've been waiting for ever since AEG started printing undead cards in Ivory edition. I'm glad they finally decided to make those cards (some of them anyway) playable.


Yajinden will replace Aranai in my undead deck, but I'm still kind of meh about him. From what I understand, the actual undead sensei is still in a future release.


I got no details, but when I mentioned my love of samurai zombies twice I heard to wait for Blackest Storm. So if anything is coming, it's that set.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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TheItsyBitsySpider wrote:
I got no details, but when I mentioned my love of samurai zombies twice I heard to wait for Blackest Storm. So if anything is coming, it's that set.

Sounds like there may be an Endo sensei coming out in BS.

I can imagine what he'd do (following is speculation based):

Trait: You may only recruit Undead Personalities. You do not lose Honor from your Undead Followers or Personalities.

Open, [bow], (*): Recruit a dead Undead Personality or equip an Undead Follower from your discard pile.


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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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Nah, if anyone I want it to be Arakan Sensei and for endo to be an Onyx edition reprint.

The art for Arakan and his backstory just scream more development!

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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Daigotsu Atsushi wrote:
TheItsyBitsySpider wrote:
I got no details, but when I mentioned my love of samurai zombies twice I heard to wait for Blackest Storm. So if anything is coming, it's that set.

Sounds like there may be an Endo sensei coming out in BS.

I can imagine what he'd do (following is speculation based):

Trait: You may only recruit Undead Personalities. You do not lose Honor from your Undead Followers or Personalities.

Open, [bow], (*): Recruit a dead Undead Personality or equip an Undead Follower from your discard pile.

Can't Recruit Holdings! Lose the game!

Try "You may not Recruit non-Undead Personalities."

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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kakita_shiro wrote:
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Open, [bow], (*): Recruit a dead Undead Personality or equip an Undead Follower from your discard pile.

Can't Recruit Holdings! Lose the game!

Try "You may not Recruit non-Undead Personalities."


:Reads response. Looks at the rule question and answer asked in the link:

daigotsu cielago wrote:
they no longer enforce a blackout before answering rules questions.

http://alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=113997


:roll: Bad Joke. Go commit :seppuku: to restore your honor.


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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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Daigotsu Atsushi wrote:
kakita_shiro wrote:
Open, [bow], (*): Recruit a dead Undead Personality or equip an Undead Follower from your discard pile.

Can't Recruit Holdings! Lose the game!

Try "You may not Recruit non-Undead Personalities."

:Reads response. Looks at the rule question and answer asked in the link:

daigotsu cielago wrote:
they no longer enforce a blackout before answering rules questions.

http://alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=113997


:roll: Bad Joke. Go commit :seppuku: to restore your honor.

I know about the so-called ruling. Fiat explanations are no substitute for adequate wording.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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kakita_shiro wrote:
I know about the so-called ruling. Fiat explanations are no substitute for adequate wording.


Which is why they should likely split off holding purchases into a "Develop" action.


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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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TheItsyBitsySpider wrote:
I got no details, but when I mentioned my love of samurai zombies twice I heard to wait for Blackest Storm. So if anything is coming, it's that set.


That's pretty much the same information I've been told.

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
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Daigotsu Atsushi wrote:
TheItsyBitsySpider wrote:
I got no details, but when I mentioned my love of samurai zombies twice I heard to wait for Blackest Storm. So if anything is coming, it's that set.

Sounds like there may be an Endo sensei coming out in BS.

I can imagine what he'd do (following is speculation based):

Trait: You may only recruit Undead Personalities. You do not lose Honor from your Undead Followers or Personalities.

Open, [bow], (*): Recruit a dead Undead Personality or equip an Undead Follower from your discard pile.


Naw... It should be:

Limited: Pay 3g, target a personality in any discard pile to create a 2/2 Zombie.

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Just realized Onita would be splendid for corrupt enlightenment. Strap her a fubatsu blade or a Reinforced Parangu and she can take up any challenge to put the ring of fire in. Matched Daisho might also work.

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Zarasu wrote:
Just realized Onita would be splendid for corrupt enlightenment. Strap her a fubatsu blade or a Reinforced Parangu and she can take up any challenge to put the ring of fire in. Matched Daisho might also work.


The challenge is ring of air...

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 Post subject: Re: [THA] Thunderous Acclaim Spider Previews
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:50 pm 
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Zarasu wrote:
Just realized Onita would be splendid for corrupt enlightenment. Strap her a fubatsu blade or a Reinforced Parangu and she can take up any challenge to put the ring of fire in. Matched Daisho might also work.


The challenge is ring of air...


Building contract->ivory courtroom

Edit: granted doing this means dropping air on their turn. But it's another 4fv way to get the favor. Or get real janky and use feinting maneuver recursion on my lords favors.


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