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 Post subject: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:08 pm 
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Ninja Battle: Bow a target unbowed enemy Personality. If he has 0f or no abilities, create a 2f/2c/0ph Ninja*Shadowlands Spider Clan Personality. Lose 1 Honor.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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Because I like being punished for running my in-Clan Personalities, while Scorpion will be able to run their Ninja Sensei and not suffer for running this guy at all.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:15 pm 
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AWE YISSSSSS!

YURISHI WAS THE FREAKING BOMB!

This is actually really good. Its free bow through followers that can even make spuds... THIS IS BONKERS!

I like how he is an actual Daimyo now...

Shadow Dragon was my first real spider deck, I cant wait to see what happens with them!

This is a powerful ability, way worth the honor loss. I'm happy to see this guy pop up... so happy!

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:19 pm 
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Mmmm, without the cloning, which is conditional (mind, probably not a terribly hard condition to fufill), it's just 'bow a guy, lose 1 Honor'. Normally I'd ask how good of a trade it is to bow a 0f guy, but given you're spawning a guy, it IS a 2f swing in the end. A guy without abilities might still have force and it will be a much bigger swing (2 + whatever the Personality's force is).

It still irks me to see Honor Loss on our guys, so my immediate reaction is going to be irrationally hostile.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:27 pm 
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Hey, its a ninja, of course we are going to lose honor but losing 1 to create a spud is really not that bad. However if we get Shadow Dragon sensei then I guarantee there will be loss prevention. But right now he is actually one of the better of the uniques in 20F.

He is not Taigo level of WTF but for 9G this guy is bonkers compared to value. Spider has an issue cutting through follower walls at times, but this is simply too good. Him on the field in an aranai deck with Inspired Leadership can become crazy.

9/10 for me

The art also is just brilliant... living up to his last artwork easily.

I'm back on the hype train.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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I feel it's a little hard to judge this guy.

L5R is more or less a 1 battle game, and I'm not sure spending 9 g for those stats is efficient. The battle ability is nice, but you'll be lucky to generate 1 spud. Hell, if you generate 2, it would be a miracle. Plus, as a unique, it's not like he can have that much impact. Unconditional bow is fine, not good, not bad, just fine.

If you remove the CCG aspects though, I love him! Yurishi was always my favorite. However,actual game-wise, I need to see 20F to value his worth because right now, he doesn't sway me in any direction.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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I'd like the Honor Loss better if it was tied to spawning the Ninja spud. I really don't feel unconditional bow is worth 1 Honor.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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CrimsonEyes wrote:
I'd like the Honor Loss better if it was tied to spawning the Ninja spud. I really don't feel unconditional bow is worth 1 Honor.


TBH, it doesn't even matter anymore. Any competitive Spider deck will have to eat honor losses so we'll always have an auto-loss to dishonor. I'm probably going to sit 20F out and see what Onyx has to offer because I'd rather not waste money to have an auto-loss if dishonor comes back.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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You're right, I'm just trying to give the card a fair shake beyond my burning hatred of seeing 'Lose x honor' on a Spider Clan Personality.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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Me likey

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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Yurushi's ability would have great synergy with Onchi basic... considering how small the pool of ninjas is for reprints, I think there is a decent chance she will be reprinted. Keeping my fingers crossed.


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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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pangu wrote:
Yurushi's ability would have great synergy with Onchi basic... considering how small the pool of ninjas is for reprints, I think there is a decent chance she will be reprinted. Keeping my fingers crossed.


Oh gosh... that would be magical...

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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...Nope, I like it. A lot. Arguing about the honor hit just seems tiring now, I'll certainly take this.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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This also combo's very nicely with VTD, just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:23 pm 
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Susumu Jackson wrote:
...Nope, I like it. A lot. Arguing about the honor hit just seems tiring now, I'll certainly take this.


I don't think it's just the honor loss that people are complaining about.

To me, the more irritating thing about this crappy personality is that we have a non unique ninja (Shiho) that has an ability that is 10X better for more than half the cost. This guy is trash.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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I hardly think its fair to compare this guy to arguably the best personality in the ivory strict/20f arc environment.

As far as uniques go, this is one of the best printed since coils of madness.  He is borderline playable, especially if they put a few 444s in 20f. If they don't, 8g+ bodies will continue to be binder fodder.


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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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There are some scenarios where I wouldn't mind bowing my own personality to grow my army. Could also do some wonky stuff with takuan since he doesn't cause honor loss when coming in play.

Yeah I like this guy a lot


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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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pangu wrote:
I hardly think its fair to compare this guy to arguably the best personality in the ivory strict/20f arc environment.



How is it unfair to compare? They are both in the same environment. It's a totally legitimate comparison. One is unique and costs more than twice as much. He should have a way better ability for that price point and he doesn't. He's got one more force. Whoopty-doo! They both lose you an honor everytime they do their action, but one is just so much better at it.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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If shiho where the standard of comparison for what is playable, you wouldn't have enough bodies to make a deck out of since almost nothing printed is on par with shiho. Besides, its kind of ironic that you are complaining about the inefficiency of a 4f/9g personality with a battle action, but are willing to run a 0f/4g guy without a proactive action.


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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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Bows through attachments and has a good chance of generating 2 extra permanent Force through another body, making him effectively 6F (and 4 chi) for 9 and possibly more if you keep him alive. Everyone runs Victory Through Deference so blanking an ability isn't that tough. Pretty sure every Spider deck runs Overwhelming Offense, so 0F also shouldn't be hard to make happen, either. So while its not guaranteed, he's got a pretty good shot of generating 6F for 9. Statwise, a conditional Ogre Bushi with a battle bow ability that can also attach things. Not sure how that's a terrible card.

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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pangu wrote:
If shiho where the standard of comparison for what is playable, you wouldn't have enough bodies to make a deck out of since almost nothing printed is on par with shiho. Besides, its kind of ironic that you are complaining about the inefficiency of a 4f/9g personality with a battle action, but are willing to run a 0f/4g guy without a proactive action.



Really? You think it's ironic that I run card draw in my deck?

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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No, I find it ironic that you run yanada in a military deck.


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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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pangu wrote:
No, I find it ironic that you run yanada in a military deck.



I have run him in a military deck. So what you're saying is that kill is not a proactive action?

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 Post subject: Re: [20 Festivals] Goju Yurishi exp 2
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Shiho is very above the curve, so comparing cards to him is never a fair comparison, regardless of being in the same environment. There shouldn't be a Spider player on these boards that won't agree that Shiho is above the curve and not likely to see another card that is equal to him.

That said, to go back to the comparison to Yurushi, when people know they are playing against Shiho, they don't usually load up their guys, so you usually only get a 1 or 2F swing as Shiho disappears from battle, too. With Yurushi XP, you might bow force and likely make 2F extra in the form of another body. There's a good chance it will be more than the swing you get with Shiho. :)

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Shahai Kirisu wrote:
Shiho is very above the curve, so comparing cards to him is never a fair comparison, regardless of being in the same environment. There shouldn't be a Spider player on these boards that won't agree that Shiho is above the curve and not likely to see another card that is equal to him.

That said, to go back to the comparison to Yurushi, when people know they are playing against Shiho, they don't usually load up their guys, so you usually only get a 1 or 2F swing as Shiho disappears from battle, too. With Yurushi XP, you might bow force and likely make 2F extra in the form of another body. There's a good chance it will be more than the swing you get with Shiho. :)



I don't think Shiho is above the curve for what spider needs in order to compete. I think he is exactly the right curve for spider to compete. Everything else is just sub par.

I usually get way more than a 2f swing when using Shiho. I wish I knew what game you were playing.

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