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 Post subject: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:14 am 
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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:44 am 
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I want to like this Sensei, but the gold cost of all legal Oni in the game right now makes his production reduction too costly. You have to spend two full turns building your economy to afford your Oni, and you already start second.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:56 am 
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sndwurks wrote:
I want to like this Sensei, but the gold cost of all legal Oni in the game right now makes his production reduction too costly. You have to spend two full turns building your economy to afford your Oni, and you already start second.


2 Full Turns, like most Clans in the game, of Gold.

And honestly your Gold in this deck is pretty good.

Clan Holding x 3 (2for3)
Slave Pits x 3 (2for3)
Lane of Immorality x 3 (1for2)
Feeding Hills x 3 (3for3 but gets cheaper, can be free)
Suana Dojo x 3 (3for4)

And that is just the most Gold Efficient Holdings you could play, there are lots of others to choose from. Questionable Market for the Flexible Gold, Forgotten Legacy for Consistency.

As for personalities, if you are playing just pure Oni, I would say your average Cost is about 7G, which is roughly the same as every one else. This is of course not Counting Crimson Mountain Oni, who is just a beast when you get him out, it is like running three Clan Champs in your deck.

But is unfortunate that this deck will not really shine until they release Onyx, and possibly the set after :'(

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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yeah, and given the radio silence on those pdfs, i suspect that we may never see them

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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I can see this being played in Modern Format I think, Conquering Oni sounds like a lot of fun.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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having poked around a bit more i think i tend to agree as far as the gold problems go. the max means that no matter where you run, you can't change it, so unless they had planned to print some really excellent corrupted told holdings in upcoming sets, i can't see how this would work.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Bookkeeper, too, to get that Gold really flowing into the late game.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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daigotsu cielago wrote:
having poked around a bit more i think i tend to agree as far as the gold problems go. the max means that no matter where you run, you can't change it, so unless they had planned to print some really excellent corrupted told holdings in upcoming sets, i can't see how this would work.


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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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This is going to be the best lion sensei by far ;)

But seriously, Lion or Dragon are the big ones for me with this.

Lion gives it the greatest advantage against dishonor, -1 starting honor means 19 sources of dishonor with 9ps as well... good fun.

Dragon gives it the toolbox utility of Earth,, Air, and even Water while starting at -4 for 16 sources of dishonor for the loss.

I wouldnt use it any lower then dragon on the starting honor scale... too easy for dishonor which is a pity as the crab box would have been fantastic.

Funny enough this sensei is terrible with spider, starting at -8 means they only have to ping us 12 times, without us able to even try to gain some of it back.... meh. But to be fair, Goju and Yajinden are better played out of spider then this one.

Gold should be fine, if we ever got to another set or two I guarentee this would have support, you can already feel the push they are trying to make to give older players their oni decks back.

This sensei should have existed though in the Ivory 1 base set however, that we had to wait 2 years just to finally be able to play oni is nonsense. either way its up there with Goju and Bitterlies as the biggest swinger sensei this set. The meta was about to be tossed on its head, too bad the game died. :?

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Actually this against Spider is not too bad, the only thing that really hurts you is a Holding that gets invested by the Crab guy since none of your guys have PH.

Just play smart.

This deck is also good out of Mantis for the Card Draw, Unicorn if there are any Cav Oni?

As for Lion, before the Sensei was a -1G to your SH but I suggested a flat Gold Production so even Lion could play like the old Corrupt Lion deck that ran Oni's.

Also low Honor Shugs are pretty good so you can use the new "I give you my name" spell.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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The Lion don't get much out of this, sadly. I really wish they did, but they have no Personalities with a - HR. They have a few with 0's, but since you cannot gain Honor, you cannot run any in-clan Personalities, which effectively makes your box blank. Which is a real shame. -7 Honor on the Sensei, and you could run a pretty solid Corrupt Lion deck. -8 Honor makes it impossible.

The best clans for running Ikikashi Sensei are Dragon (free Ring and +1 card in hand!), Mantis (free gold!), Crab (free straighten!), and Unicorn (Extra Cycle! and possibly movement?). Spider are okay with him, as is Scorpion. Crane, Lion, and Phoenix are basically useless.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Even if the sensei gives an awesome feel on being able to play onis again, none of the them are worthwhile except for maybe two: Minikui no Oni and The Crimson Mountain Oni (which, btw, I hate his name), with Akuma no Obake as honorable mention (is he Akuma no Oni's younger cousin?).

Too bad there won't be another expansion where this them will get further support. Only time (after 2 years!) can tell...


I'll stick with a Goju deck. At least they know what's up! (or what's not there) :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Oni no El wrote:
with Akuma no Obake as honorable mention (is he Akuma no Oni's younger cousin?).


Obake means ghost so... Ghost of Akuma?


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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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They're definitely related, the artwork has a lot of matching characteristics.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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daigotsu cielago wrote:
having poked around a bit more i think i tend to agree as far as the gold problems go. the max means that no matter where you run, you can't change it, so unless they had planned to print some really excellent corrupted told holdings in upcoming sets, i can't see how this would work.



There were, in fact, several pretty badass corrupt holdings coming up that made this gold scheme much more workable.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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IanMcClaren wrote:
daigotsu cielago wrote:
having poked around a bit more i think i tend to agree as far as the gold problems go. the max means that no matter where you run, you can't change it, so unless they had planned to print some really excellent corrupted told holdings in upcoming sets, i can't see how this would work.



There were, in fact, several pretty badass corrupt holdings coming up that made this gold scheme much more workable.


you guys are fuckin' killing me. i really do hope dave is able to get the BS and onyx pdfs released. i'd love to see what these new sets looked like.

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Of ^&^$ing course.


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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Dave is working hard with FFG to see if it is acceptable for us to release those PDFs in some form at some point, but really the ball is in their court in terms of what we can and cannot do, as I understand it.

Hopefully you'll get to see all this stuff at some point, in some form. :)

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 Post subject: Re: [EP] Ikikashi Sensei (All Clans)
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Anyone try this in Modern yet?

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