Shiba Gunichi wrote:
In fairness, Lotus was quite a few Brand/Story membership changes ago.
After all, Daigotsu's vow that his precious little nubbin would inherit an empire on the day of his gempukku didn't exactly pan out either, and I rather doubt anyone at the time of the writing planned on Fu Leng being dead by the time Kanpeki was grown man either...
Sounds like that might have been treated in retrospect as Big D's plans, rather than any sort of objective prophecy.
Also worth noting that at the time of that writing, the wider fanbase wasn't as utterly sick of Daigotsu's being the best at everything ever as they would later become, so handing even greater magic and fightyness to his offspring was almost certainly going to be a non-starter.
yeah, i think the Mary Sue Daigotsu thing definitely played a role in it, as did the evolution of the storyline. i think i'm less fussed about the prophecy in general than i am about the idea that they planned Kanpeki to be a shugenja and turned him into an MMA fighter.
Daigotsu Atsushi wrote:
Looking back on things, I think 2 major events screwed up the story teams original plans for the Spider.
The first was the Spider "winning" the Celestial redemption storyline at the end of the Race for the Throne during Samurai. This likely held back any Spider integrating with the Empire plans they originally had for an entire arc.
The second was Spider winning the right to raise the Imperial Heir. This likely forced them to create a second Heir and the resolution of that story pushed back plans for Kanpeki's rebellion.
i'm so torn on CE. when i think back, the destroyer war was such hot garbage. but it gave us some real great stuff. Shimekiri, Furumaro, and of course Goddesses part 4, which is divisive as fuck but is super my jam. but i agree that i think both of those are good examples of the strength of L5R, the interactive story, also being its weakness.
Shiba Gunichi wrote:
I dunno, I think the Heir business did more to hamstring the Progressive/Traditionalist thing than anything else...I think they already planned some sort of succession struggle, but by making Shibatsu the "Spider Candidate," they put the Progs in a rougher spot than they otherwise would have been...
a succession struggle seems like a very L5R kind of thing to do, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if thats exactly what the whole heir thing was a setup for regardless of who got to raise it, but i'm 100% with you that the spider doing so made the whole thing messier and kind of fucked up their plans.